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Le visionnaire qui voit et qui reste passif c'est pas bon, le visionnaire trop idéaliste manipulateur qui contrôle les choses pour les façonner uniquement à sa façon on tombe dans l'excès inverse.</div><div>J'ai envie de placer un visionnaire constructif au centre, tu observes, tu vois, tu sais et tu aides à l'impulsion des potentialités&nbsp;<img src=\"https://risibank.fr/cache/medias/0/36/3623/362353/full.png\" alt=\"https://risibank.fr/cache/medias/0/36/3623/362353/full.png\" data-id=\"362353\" width=\"64\" height=\"48\" class=\"sticker\"></div>","originalContent":"Ahiiii mais c'est fascinant ça, ramène moi un peu plus de constance pour mon cerveau <img src=\"https://risibank.fr/cache/medias/0/36/3623/362353/full.png\" alt=\"https://risibank.fr/cache/medias/0/36/3623/362353/full.png\" data-id=\"362353\" width=\"64\" height=\"48\" class=\"sticker\" /><div>En effet, je vais répondre a la question toute seule, je pense que les deux sont possibles et se complètent sans pousser dans un extrême ou l'autre. 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